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rag: doc2rag counts chunk tokens with cl100k_base but the embedding server rejects >512 real tokens — "input (N tokens) is too large to process" #2836

Description

@dzedaj1977

Issue Description

ramalama rag fails during the embedding phase on real-world documentation folders with:

RuntimeError: llama-server embedding request returned 500: {"error":{"code":500,"message":"input (596 tokens) is too large to process. increase the physical batch size (current batch size: 512)","type":"server_error"}}

Root cause (verified against container-images/scripts/doc2rag in ramalama-rag:0.23):
the chunker (semchunk) measures chunks with the tiktoken cl100k_base encoding
(default --chunk-size 400), but the embedding llama-server counts the same text
with the embedding model's own tokenizer (embeddinggemma-300M). On URL-, code- and
YAML-dense content the embeddinggemma count comes out up to ~1.9x higher than the
cl100k_base count, so a chunk measured as <=400 tokens arrives at the server as
500-750 real tokens — over llama-server's physical batch limit (-ub, default 512),
which the embedding request must fit entirely. RamaLama starts the embedding server
without raising -ub, and exposes no flag to do so.

Observed on the same docs set: chunks measured <=400 (cl100k) arriving as 750 tokens
(HTML page with a long navigation link list) and 596 tokens (Markdown with many long
URLs / inline code). Plain prose rarely triggers it, which makes the failure look
random across doc sets.

Steps to reproduce the issue

  1. pip install ramalama==0.23.0 (podman backend; images quay.io/ramalama/ramalama:0.23 and ramalama-rag:0.23 pulled automatically)
  2. Create a docs folder containing token-dense text, e.g. a single .md file whose one
    paragraph is ~50 long GitHub PR URLs (a typical auto-generated release-notes page),
    or any page with a long list glued together with
    tags.
  3. Run: ramalama rag ~/docs localhost/test/docs:v1
  4. Conversion and chunking succeed ("N chunks created"); the failure occurs during
    "Embedding chunks via llama.cpp...".

Describe the results you received

Embedding chunks via llama.cpp...
Embedding 5/216 chunks...Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/doc2rag", line 553, in
run_pipeline(args)
File "/usr/bin/doc2rag", line 526, in run_pipeline
store_in_qdrant(chunks, ids, doc_ids, chunk_indices, args.output, embedder, embedding_model=embedding_model)
File "/usr/bin/doc2rag", line 340, in store_in_qdrant
vectors = embedder.embed(chunks)
File "/usr/bin/doc2rag", line 298, in embed
all_embeddings.extend(self._embed_batch(batch))
File "/usr/bin/doc2rag", line 317, in _embed_batch
raise RuntimeError(f"llama-server embedding request returned {e.code}: {body}") from None
RuntimeError: llama-server embedding request returned 500: {"error":{"code":500,"message":"input (596 tokens) is too large to process. increase the physical batch size (current batch size: 512)","type":"server_error"}}

The whole build aborts (exit status 1); no image is produced.

Describe the results you expected

The build completes. The chunker should never emit a chunk the embedding server
rejects. Possible fixes, in rough order of correctness:

a) doc2rag counts chunk tokens with the embedding model's own tokenizer instead of
cl100k_base (e.g. via the embedding llama-server's /tokenize endpoint, since the
server is already running during chunking);
b) or RamaLama starts the embedding llama-server with a physical batch size safely
above the effective chunk limit (e.g. -ub 2048);
c) or doc2rag splits/truncates any chunk that exceeds the server limit before
POSTing to /v1/embeddings, instead of aborting the whole build.

Workaround that works today: ramalama rag --chunk-size 256 (256 x ~1.9 < 512).

ramalama info output

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            "solar-pro": "hf://MaziyarPanahi/solar-pro-preview-instruct-GGUF",
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            "tiny": "hf://TheBloke/TinyLlama-1.1B-Chat-v1.0-GGUF",
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        },
        "Sources": [
            "/home/ramalama/infrapilot-venv/share/ramalama/shortnames.conf"
        ]
    },
    "Store": "/home/ramalama/.local/share/ramalama",
    "ToolsImage": "quay.io/ramalama/ramalama-tools:0.23",
    "UseContainer": true,
    "Version": "0.23.0"
}

Upstream Latest Release

Yes

Additional environment details

WSL2 (Ubuntu 24.04) on Windows 11, podman 4.9.3 (Ubuntu archive), rootless, CPU-only.
Nothing WSL-specific about the bug itself — the mismatch is in doc2rag's counting.

Additional information

  • doc2rag sends one chunk per request (EMBEDDING_BATCH_SIZE = 1), so this is a
    per-chunk size issue, not request batching.
  • The failure is content-dependent (URL/code/YAML density), so the same command
    works on one docs folder and fails on another — easy to misdiagnose as a doc
    problem. The error message ("increase the physical batch size") points at a
    server setting the user has no way to change through the ramalama CLI.

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